AHYEP

Pretty sure I don’t really need to say anything at this point.

Of course you can feel free to leave your thoughts.

I’m actually looking forward to that.

24 thoughts on “AHYEP

    • Do you know the difference between an Engineer and a Technician? A technician knows what to do. An engineer knows how to get out of doing it.

      I’ve been a Mechanical Engineer for 42 years. Fun screwing with new graduates (hey, go down to the parts dept and get me a box of left handed pipe threads.)

      Keep in mind today’s graduates spend most of their education being brainwashed on racism, global warming, gender studies and other leftist bullshit. And they come out of school owing $200K in student loans.

      The world sure is going to shit, isn’t it?

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      • When I was an apprentice, we got sent to the tool crib for boxes of scribed lines, metric crescent wrenches, brass files and the ever popular aluminum magnitizer.

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        • The favorite thing when I was a machinist apprentice in the early 80’s was being sent to the tool crib after “maidenhead oil”. They would send you to the saw shack 2 buildings over, then to truck fab etc. It was the unofficial tour of the plant. Some caught on quick while others were run around most of the shift.

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    • “Pretty well sums up every engineer I ever worked with.”

      Uhm, yeah. Thing is someone has to design the system. You have to set up the problem with the proper equations to solve that satisfy the physical constraints. It often involves high-level math and the ability to use the software tools to solve the equations. You have to understand what approximations you can make and what details you have to keep. It takes real expertise and experience to do this properly.

      You do the four years of undergraduate, two years of a Masters and five years of a PhD, plus a couple or so is a postdoc, and then come back and tell me how to do my job.

      I also put the period the end of your sentence for you. Details matter, dude.

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      • Don’t take this as an attack on you personally because it’s not meant to be but I would like you to know that I have spent the last 40 years trying to outsmart engineers with a fair amount of luck doing it.
        In my personal opinion there are two concepts that have gone by the wayside since I started turning wrenches, actually even before I started.
        Accessibility and Serviceability.
        Nowhere is there a better example of what I am talking about than the Automotive Industry, with the most glaring example being the 2008-2010 Ford Trucks that you had to REMOVE THE FUCKING CAB TO PULL THE TRANSMISSION ON.
        Like I said, this is not a personal attack but I have met several automotive engineers in my day and every one of them was oblivious to just how lucky they were that I didn’t choke them with my bare hands the second we were introduced.
        There is actually such a thing as an Educated Idiot and I have met several.
        BTW, I was a Ford factory trained technician for ten years and was one test away from being a Certified Ford Master Mechanic when I walked away from their bullshit in 1999.
        I have a degree in Automotive Technology so I’m not just some dumbass back yard mechanic talking shit.

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        • I felt the same way until I switched over to working on Hondas and Toyotas. They are engineered to be worked on (for the most part) and have made my life much easier. I’m only a guy who works on his own cars, not trained at all.

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  1. a long time ago, i got a job offer from the east coast head of kodak. they where installing a “new lazar printer for mri. back in the early 1990’s new stuff then. anyway, comes to running the lines after drilling the holes (my drill and bits , i was a mri tech) seems like the guy doing it didn’t figured
    out how to get the printer connector thru the hole- simple- remove the bracket and tape the connector to the wire to make it fit thru the hole (like a inch and a half) then pull it thru.
    after showing him how to do it, i got the job offer. weird. the guy kept asking me for like 2-3 months
    to do installs . but was a single parent at that time and couldn’t travel like that.
    not the first time i showed eggheads how simple problems can be solved. it like if it doesn’t
    come
    with step by step directions, these guys are lost ? seems like poor boys in blue jeans out think the
    guys in suits a lot of times. i did get 2 new drill bit out of the deal though, still have them too.

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  2. I was trained as an Electronic Tech by the USAF at component level repair, I was a Crypto Tech. I was later cross trained to Satellite maintenance technician 5 years before I retired. I got in the civilian world and was quickly moved from Satcom operator to installer to field engineer to senior field engineer. The new RF engineers we were getting from VA Tech and GA Tech were all being sent to me to get re-educated in RF theory to do their jobs. It took twice as long to get a VA Tech graduate up to speed.

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  3. 9booger- not all engineers are book smart and street stupid. My son is a mechanical engineer working for dot.gov ARL making $100,000+ after five years service. He is a hard worker who respects what the technicians contribute.

    He is equally able to work on cars, remodel his house, build his deck, rehab his boat and mig weld. All taught to him by his father.

    Father’s are so important in raising a son.

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    • Zactly, or uncles and male neighbors who tinkered in their garage. My Dad was not very mechanical but he let me tear down old mowers to see what was inside. If you think about it almost all knowledge is on the job training. I learned early to talk to the old guys for wisdom and listen when they speak. My daughter asked me awhile back how I knew something, I replied someone taught me or I was self taught while doing it wrong and right along the way.

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  4. First off, I’m a BSME with over 30 years of exp. I also have 50 years of wrenching on cars and building stuff. (Yes the Pretty Wife hates me.) As to the average Engineering graduate today, the Germans do it better. I was fortunate enough o tour some of their engineering and Trade schools in the fall of ’16. There was no diversified, gender or any other studies but STEM. Both the tech and eng students did practical internships. The techs come out knowing some of the whys things are done a certain way and the engs come out with an appreciation of how to build and maintain what they designed.

    We moved to an University town in ’14 and I used the Sr. Design Program at the Eng School to do some basic level eng for the company I still work for. The students essentially go through the boot camp of being engineer that my Dad (BSME CCNY ’51) put his kids through. They hate it until the day usually 1/2 way through the second semester that all the lessons start to click into place. The work quality improves 10 fold in those last few weeks. I’ve had about 100 students work for me in the last 5 years and go on to be rocket asses in their careers. I hope that they learned enough to not do the typical bone head stuff I’ve seen from “experienced” engineers.

    So don’t fully blame the one being educated, blame the one who supplied the education. BTW my boot camp approach was adopted by the Professors who oversee the class. Hopefully it will continue after I retire.

    Spin

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    • “…the Germans do it better”

      After owning and working on Two Mercedes and two BMW’s, it is my observation that German engineering is some of the stupidest in the world. There is a Teutonic proclivity to see just how complicated they can engineer something and it still perform its function. Examples:
      – Put the battery under the rear seat (Mercedes) or in the trunk (BMW) for weight distribution. Then have to up the voltage to non-standard to compensate for the voltage drop on the long wiring run. Non-standard means stupid expensive.
      – Hold the wheels on with thru bolts instead of a stud and nut. That way you can’t hang the tire but get to snuggle up to that filthy tire in your nice white shirt.
      – Cover everything in the engine compartment with a shroud to discourage you from working on “their” car. (Every troubleshooting item in my BMW X-5 said “take to dealer” as the solution)
      – In this day of LED lights, use very small light bulbs for the dash (Mercedes)
      @ $20 each and engineer it so you have to pull the fucking dash to change them. This insures that eventually it won’t go back in correctly and will look like shit.
      – BMW transfer cases WILL go out @ 75,000 miles or so and NOBODY in the US will rebuild them. NOBODY wants to screw with what is essentially a throw away part. A new transfer case is $4,500 plus labor.

      I’m driving my 2003 (yes 18 y/o) Toyota Sequoia 4×4 with 400,000 miles. Runs perfectly and parts are a fraction of the price of German.

      German engineering… spare me.

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  5. Supposedly true story from my time at the Texas A&M experiment station. Old Dub told me about an engineering student that worked there the year before. They told him to gap the points on the old International farm truck they used for running around the farm. He said he couldn’t. Didn’t have a feeler gage. Dub said to use a dime. Kid ran down the battery, and didn’t get it to start. Then left. Next day, Dub asked him why the battery was dead. Kid said it wouldn’t run, so he left. Dub checked the gap, and it was huge. Asked the kid, he said he didn’t have a dime, only two nickles….

    I was still in High Scruel and we both had a good laugh at that. You can always tell an engineer, but you can’t tell him much.

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  6. Hey, don’t knock some of us Engineers – we actually HAVE gone through The School Of Hard Knocks first!
    The best Engineers are the ones that have gone through an {official|unofficial} apprenticeship first. I had a Team Chief that was working on his PhD EE while in the field, we had to keep a close eye on him because he was as clueless as a kid. When he got out, he went to work for his father’s bakery in NY. What a waste! (I also helped him with solving his triple integrals on his homework – a bit of a slog for me…)
    I have encountered some really, really smart Engineers that I would walk through Hell with a full gas can with – they are outstanding! Those are the guys I listen to…

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  7. The design firm I started with after getting my structural engineering degree sent me straight to the steel plant they owned. Small plant, local business mainly. I spent 6 months fabricating before I got inside the design side of things. Absolutely invaluable experience! When the old man died, the new owners discontinued the policy. They managed to stay open for only 7 more years. If you aren’t gonna carry your tools for awhile, you are NEVER gonna be worth a shit as an engineer.

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